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Also, even if we get it wrong and UNP isn't scum, and the last remaining rogue mind picks someone off overnight... We'll still have a voting majority in the final day - So if UNP is innocent we will have one last chance to get it right anyway.
So it's down to Saint_Jimmy and UNP, and while it could be that Saint_Jimmy did use his night ability to make it look like UNP overrode Armykid's night action...I don't know. Sounds too convoluted to me personally?
My night ability is self targeted. Believe me when I say you'll know when it's used.
@Shadok - he seems to have been claiming that he would pretend to be the invest in order to draw a NK to him, rather than him actually being a bodyguard? And Wind is claiming to be a doctor of some sort who protected Army last night.
Joined: Feb 20, 2010 Posts: 193 Location: Your kitchen
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:06 am Post subject:
Saint_Jimmy wrote:
he seems to have been claiming that he would pretend to be the invest in order to draw a NK to him, rather than him actually being a bodyguard?
...I'm not sure where you're getting the "pretend to be the invest" part? If it was the "No action, I'm pretty much there to take a hit for whatever PR I might have been paired with," I took that as a claim that UNP's role is (completely passively and, since it can't be intentionally activated, also unable to be turned off) to take the hit if a Rogue Mind tries to kill Armykid, and use up his vest or whatever instead of Armykid dying. _________________ Cassandra 943 | Flowey 10025 | SCP-053 10454
(he claimed it was a defensive ability and insistently asked for me to tell him the info that I had learned so that he could pretend the results were his own therefore attracting a night hit on himself..)
UNP also said
UsernamePending wrote:
Didn't act,
rather than "Can't act", like he apparently claimed to Armykid (and if he can't trigger an action, then how come Armykid couldn't act, etc. If there's a RB'er, then that would mean that Scum has no more NKs, which doesn't seem likely, unless they can both RB and kill.)
That might be an innocent mistake, it might be UNP getting his stories mixed up, it might be Armykid lying. Who knows?
Joined: Feb 20, 2010 Posts: 193 Location: Your kitchen
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:34 am Post subject:
Ah, ok, I forgot about that. Reading back through the messages, it does seem that UNP has consistently been saying that he hasn't used his ability, although it's also possible that Armykid misinterpreted UNP's PM.
Mmrgh. I'm still gonna go with UNP, I think, unless someone can convince me otherwise, if only because he was the only one who didn't vote for Pika when we needed every available vote to lynch him. I suppose Armykid or Saint_Jimmy could have thrown Pika under the bus as a precaution in case they couldn't secure a night kill that night (and therefore town would have majority again the next day with Shadok having recovered)... but... _________________ Cassandra 943 | Flowey 10025 | SCP-053 10454
Joined: Oct 12, 2015 Posts: 1085 Location: The United States of America
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:33 pm Post subject:
Gah, I spent like 20 mins writing something out and my phone died. Gimme some time to let this charge so I don't lose out again. _________________ 8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: HOW IS 42 KILLS AN A
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: FOURTY TWO
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: FOURTY TWOOOO
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: IS ONLY AN A
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: HOW DO YOU GET AN S ON LEBLANC
Joined: Oct 12, 2015 Posts: 1085 Location: The United States of America
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:53 pm Post subject:
So my last thought would be that Rince might be lying about having acted, the 'cop' might have bussed his Pikapartner, and that there might be the last 2 (I think that's all that could possibly be left) and it seems to be the only serious possibility. I also think there have been 2 of the same role confirmed to exist VIA a death (not too sure, don't want to read through everything) to account for Shadok and I both being BPs. _________________ 8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: HOW IS 42 KILLS AN A
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: FOURTY TWO
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: FOURTY TWOOOO
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: IS ONLY AN A
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: HOW DO YOU GET AN S ON LEBLANC
Joined: Aug 15, 2010 Posts: 3955 Location: Gehenna (Earth Branch)
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:00 am Post subject:
Before we hammer, I just have to ask @Rincewind: Did your votecount account for the fact that some of us only have one vote between two? Because as far as I can tell, the mafia could just force a no-go if too many bodies die. _________________
"Oh, sorry, thought I was in a Vault of Enlightenment, not someone's booze cabinet." -Kharn
* UsernamePending claims to be a bulletproof townie
* ArmyKid500 can follow people to find out what they do
* Shadok is an ex-bulletproof townie (I think we can all believe this one)
* Jazelock is the detective (I think this one is fairly safe to believe too)
* Rincewind is the doctor (I trust myself, Jazelock trusts me too. Do you?)
* Saint_Jimmy ??? (getting late and I'm too lazy to backread and remind myself of anything here)
I'm going to assume there is 1 rogue mind left and no vigilante (ie. no chance of multiple night kills).
There's a few paths here:
A) We vote off a head with a partner
B) We vote off a solo head
C) We vote off nobody, or we vote off UNP and it turns out he's a lynchproof townie
Folowed by nighttime results:
D) Rogue minds off a head with a partner
E) Rogue minds off a solo head
F) Nobody dies
Lets examine every possible outcome:
A + D = 4 solo heads, voting majority (3 to lynch)
A + E = 2 solo + 1 duo, voting majority (2 to lynch)
A + F = 3 solo + 1 duo, voting majority (3 to lynch)
B + D = 2 solo + 1 duo, voting majority (2 to lynch)
B + E = 2 duo, voting majority (2 to lynch, we can override rogue mind vote)
B + F = 1 solo + 2 duo, voting majority (2 to lynch)
C + D = 3 solo + 1 duo, voting majority (3 to lynch)
C + E = 1 solo + 2 duo, voting majority (2 to lynch)
C + F = 2 solo + 2 duo, voting majority (3 to lynch)
We can afford to be wrong today, provided we are all correct tomorrow. Unless there is two rogue minds or a rogue mind + a sympathiser, we will have a voting majority in all cases.
If there is a rogue mind and a sympathiser, one has to die today unless they're both on the same body, in which case we'd need to vote off the rogue mind tomorrow.
Given all the outcomes are winnable provided we only have one rogue mind and no sympathiser, I think at this stage voting UNP is safe.
The only catch is if there is a rogue mind and a sympathiser, we absolutely have to vote off one of them today.
Joined: Oct 12, 2015 Posts: 1085 Location: The United States of America
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:36 am Post subject:
You seem to know exactly how many Rogues there are here. What if there were 2 minds with 2 separate night kills? _________________ 8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: HOW IS 42 KILLS AN A
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: FOURTY TWO
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: FOURTY TWOOOO
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: IS ONLY AN A
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: HOW DO YOU GET AN S ON LEBLANC
We've already killed two rogues, if there's two still alive and they have seperate night kills, then why has no more than 1 head died each night?
If there is two with seperate night kills then we need to off one of them today, and the other tomorrow.
I don't know exactly how many rogue minds there are, I'm just making a guess for the purposes of my outcome matrix there.
UsernamePending wrote:
So my last thought would be that Rince might be lying about having acted, the 'cop' might have bussed his Pikapartner, and that there might be the last 2 (I think that's all that could possibly be left) and it seems to be the only serious possibility. I also think there have been 2 of the same role confirmed to exist VIA a death (not too sure, don't want to read through everything) to account for Shadok and I both being BPs.
Regarding your claim of two of the same role being confirmed via death, we have had:
* Invisime - Rogue Scum
* Pikanchion - Rogue Scum
* BlackHeartKabal - Night action = Render someone unable to post
* Azure - Town Vigilante
So no, there has not been any duplicate non-scum roles.
If Jazelock and I were rogue scum, Jazelock would've been better off accusing me and leaving Pika alive, because that would have left two solo head scum with two votes, instead of one scum body with two heads and one vote.
Joined: Oct 12, 2015 Posts: 1085 Location: The United States of America
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:52 pm Post subject:
But which is more believable?
With the dead thing, I guess Invisime's claim confused me. _________________ 8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: HOW IS 42 KILLS AN A
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: FOURTY TWO
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: FOURTY TWOOOO
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: IS ONLY AN A
8:17 PM - BlackHeartKabal: HOW DO YOU GET AN S ON LEBLANC
Joined: Aug 15, 2010 Posts: 3955 Location: Gehenna (Earth Branch)
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:51 pm Post subject:
Yeah, Rince has the better idea here. I'm going to Vote: Usernamepending to see how the night goes. _________________
"Oh, sorry, thought I was in a Vault of Enlightenment, not someone's booze cabinet." -Kharn
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